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fuel tank in a 45' Voyager
Posted: June 4th, 2017, 7:07 am
by carver45
Is there anyone out there who knows how the baffles are constructed in the 227 gal. tank? We are having an issue with the starboard tank, and the fuel polisher (as well as the other 2 a year ago) say they can only reach one area - this side of the baffles. My captain tried to keep things stirred up by using an air compressor, to no avail. We went 4.5 miles and then the starboard engine stopped. Mind you the port tank is fine - and we always add diesel fuel to both tanks when we fuel up. The starboard tank also feeds the generator which of course has from time to time has stopped as well, using the air compressor to unblock the hose works, along with changing filters. So we have something in the tank but we can't figure out how to access it because of the baffles.....
2000 Carver Voyager 450
Carver 45
Re: fuel tank in a 45' Voyager
Posted: June 4th, 2017, 8:35 am
by Viper
Welcome aboard. This is a more generic answer than model specific but you'll likely have more than one baffle, the number will depend on the length of the tank. If you look closely at the side wall, you may be able to see the distortion where each baffle is welded. If you can't see anything, call Carver with your hull number, they can put you in touch with the tank manufacturer so you can get some specs, or look for a label on the side of the tank. If you're lucky, they're still around. I know some no longer are.
There should be a gap under the baffle, the height of which really depends on the manufacture's design, and may or may not be large enough to run a hose under to the other side. Multiple baffles do present a challenge even if there is enough room. A more extreme approach would be to cut an access hole on top of the tank between each baffle.
There may be chemical products out there that help break things up but most of their claims are just marketing hype. Try finding something with actual user feedback that has worked for them. Maybe someone here has a suggestion based on their experience.
Re: fuel tank in a 45' Voyager
Posted: July 10th, 2017, 9:15 am
by John Easley
Viper wrote:Source of the post Welcome aboard. This is a more generic answer than model specific but you'll likely have more than one baffle, the number will depend on the length of the tank. If you look closely at the side wall, you may be able to see the distortion where each baffle is welded. If you can't see anything, call Carver with your hull number, they can put you in touch with the tank manufacturer so you can get some specs, or look for a label on the side of the tank. If you're lucky, they're still around. I know some no longer are.
There should be a gap under the baffle, the height of which really depends on the manufacture's design, and may or may not be large enough to run a hose under to the other side. Multiple baffles do present a challenge even if there is enough room. A more extreme approach would be to cut an access hole on top of the tank between each baffle.
There may be chemical products out there that help break things up but most of their claims are just marketing hype. Try finding something with actual user feedback that has worked for them. Maybe someone here has a suggestion based on their experience.
We ran into a similar problem, also with our starboard tank. Previous owner hadn't really run the boat in about four years and hadn't kept the fuel tanks topped up. Bought the new-to-us boat and headed off shore to reposition. Got into four foot waves and stirred up algae that we didn't know was in the tank. Limped in and a mechanic blew out the lines and changed the filters. We began using Biobor JF.
http://www.biobor.com/products/biobor-jf-fuel-additives/ It's available from a lot of places and much cheaper on Amazon than in most marine supply stores. That killed the algae but it was still in the tank. Took a few trips to drain the tanks and change the filters, topping up the fuel each time, but we now run in rougher water without issues. First dose of Biobor JF was at "shock" levels. After that, we add a "maintenance" amount each time we fuel. Great stuff! Might help you too.
Re: fuel tank in a 45' Voyager
Posted: July 10th, 2017, 10:46 am
by rcoff512
Carver 45,
Attached are photos of the labels on my 2 tanks. I own 1999 Carver 450 Hull #3.
I looked for baffle indications on my tanks and see none.
Starboard tank is the one with the power cord in the photo as well.
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Perhaps if you call Florida Marine Tanks they can advise where the baffles are and how to access the complete interior.
Best of luck. If I can help in any other way let me know.
Rich
Re: fuel tank in a 45' Voyager
Posted: July 10th, 2017, 2:57 pm
by mjk1040
I assume you are running diesel, if so I would suggest a case of fuel filters and some good additive to try and get the algae out of your tanks. Diesel fuel grows bacteria that over time will give you sludge and plug the fuel system. Ideally diesel tanks should be refilled after every use when hot to help minimize bacteria growth and condensation.
Re: fuel tank in a 45' Voyager
Posted: April 21st, 2018, 2:20 am
by PhilH
Someone suggested to me opening any port, ie, fuel guage, filler, inspection port, etc and using an inexpensive borescope down the tank to examine the insides. Baffles just reduce sloshing, they dont block sections of the tank.
Re: fuel tank in a 45' Voyager
Posted: August 13th, 2018, 3:17 pm
by jsinton
Actually, diesel fuel does not grow the bacteria. That's why tanks that stay topped off all the time don't grow the algae bacteria. The algae occurs when a less than full tank is left over time (like four years in this case) and bacteria grows on the sides or walls of the tank from constant condensation. Enter enthusiastic new boaty who fills up the said tank with fresh diesel w/o cleaning or inspecting, and the algae on the walls starts to come off into the fuel. That's why it's so hard to clean once it's gunked: It's on the walls of the tank and it's hard to clean off. Easier to just have new tanks made a lot of times.
You can get a commercial fuel polishing outfit to churn up the tank, but that still won't really clean it like it should.
If it was my boat, I'd install a line of cheap knock-off Racor-type water-fuel separator filters off eBay. Like three filters in a row. That will polish the fuel before it gets to the motor. You just keep your eye on the filters and drain water or sludge as necessary. Keep some extra paper filters on hand. Do an eBay search for "marine diesel fuel filter" and you'll see what I mean. Can't miss.
Re: fuel tank in a 45' Voyager
Posted: August 13th, 2018, 3:36 pm
by mjk1040
FPPF makes a great additive for diesel too!