Hi everyone and Merry Christmas!!

I purchased my 1998 Trojan 400 and have been repairing the engines / gearboxes since ((((

I have been looking for a detailed manual, specifically location of cables, routing of hoses etc as the generic manual has very little information.

Would appreciate your feedback. Thanks!

Greetings CYO friends,

My wife and I sold our 355 aft cabin we owned for 15 years and we are ready to purchase our next boat. We are set on the Marquis 59 or the Carver 56 Voyager. We don’t want anything older than 2004 model year, and it must be 100% freshwater. We live and boat in MN. If you, or someone you know has something in this category for sale, or is considering selling, please send me a note. I shop all the big websites DAILY, but maybe there’s something in this forum that isn’t listed on those sites.

Wishing you all well,

True-North

I am getting salt water in my rear bilge while underway. I just can't locate where it is coming from. While in the marina its dry. The dripless and rudder shafts are not leaking. The air conditioner drain into the sump is working. I caulked the outside molding thinking it may be coming in there no luck. Sometimes it's only a 1/2gallon other times its 2 or 3 gallons. does not seem to matter if its calm or rough seas while underway. Any ideas?

I imagine I'm not the first owner to be infinitely annoyed by the water that accumulates in the forward bilge. I imagine a lot of owners have figured this out, and I've seen posts that touch on this but they never seem to come to what I would call a satisfactory resolution. I thought I share a post of mine from another forum that sheds some light on this annoyance. I'll paste it below, but as it was told to me, water can bypass the aft and mid bilge and pool in the forward bilge. I wanted to confirm this myself, so I did a LOT of crawling around and pulling things apart on my boat until I had a definitive answer. In short, water runs inside the two main stringers of the hull grid. You would never know unless you open the inspection hatches and stick a camera inside to get a look at the stream running in there. (PIC attached) The water can come from anywhere. Leaky windows, sumps, through hulls, condensation, fresh water system leaks, etc. It usually finds its way into a limber hole and runs forward.

Going through this exercise exposed a number of leaks and issues that I would have never found until more serious damage was done. Things like; leaks in the fresh water plumbing at some joints, Leaks around rear sliding windows and door, leaks behind cabinetry in aft head through hull, Front portholes, diesel fill holes, etc. Ive remediated these and feel much better about the watertight integrity of my 430 now.

In short, if you have water in your forward bilge, you have leaks somewhere in your boat and there are about a hundred different places it can come from. Finding them is certainly a challenge and a process. Im sure not everyone wants such an intimate knowledge of the bowels of their carver, but drying her in will keep her in much better shape.... And the captain (wife) says the boat smells a LOT better now....

Original Post;
Before I crawl all over my boat to figure this out, I thought I'd ask the community.....
My forward bilge seems to always have water in it. Im trying to find the source. Im sure it comes from multiple places. Ive removed the fresh water tanks to service them and to gain access to the bilge. The tanks are not perforated or leaking. I capped all the drains going to the forward sump. Still I'm finding water is making it into the bilge. I have no holes in the hull. Just had it hauled out and a bottom job done.
Likely suspects are the forward port lights, fresh water fill port gasket, chain locker. I cant say if its salt water or not as I'm not on the boat right now. I have a camera set up in the boat to watch the bilge level on my phone while I figure this out. Has anybody else run into this annoyance and if so what did you find?

Reply 1;
The way the limber holes are set up on these boats the water can be coming from anywhere. Even the stern bilge area. Everything drains to the front. I’d check 2 things. First cockpit drains in the stern. Next if you are only getting water while making way it’s likely the front hvac water outlet on the starboard bow … it may need sealing, it almost submerges while running and water can push in around it.

Reply 2;
Check the anchor locker. More than likely at least some of it is coming from there. Unfortunately our boats collect the water in the forward bilge where there is no pump to get rid of it. A previous owner had cut a hole in the forward cabin in the compartment under the the berth to gain access. I pump it out through that access using a shop vac. In addition when running, I put the bow up and turn on all three bilge pumps which may or may not get rid of some of it. It's one of those things that makes you scratch your head and say "what were they thinking"?

Reply3;
I have had the same issue since I bought the vessel. 4 years. Center and rear bilge is dry. Front bilge which is under the stairs to the galley always has water in it. Tried to find the source but no luck. Following to see if your issue can lead me to resolution.

My Response;
I have a definitive answer as to where the water in the forward bilge is coming from in my 430. First, thank you for your suggestions. I looked at all of them carefully and found none of them, not even cumulatively, could account for the volume and type water in the bilge.... Its salt water. I checked the air condition cooling through hull in the bow, condensation on the inside of the hull, chain locker drain, fresh water systems, raw water pumps, through hulls, and leaks around the sliding doors and windows. None of them were leaking at all, or enough, to create the constant pooling of water in the forward bilge. So what is it? It is the rudder packing glands. They both leak. I was aware they leak, but because of how the water pooled and drained, it was concealing the amount of water coming in. I assumed the water coming in was just pooling around the rudder base. That is not the case. The water pools a tiny bit around the rudder base but the bulk of it leaks into a limber hole in the main stringer of the hull grid. This conceals the water as it runs down the inside of the stringers bypassing the aft and mid bilge until it reaches the bow where it leaks out of the stringer through limber holes into the front bilge under the water tanks. That's why it was so hard to find. I removed the water tanks dried the bilge and confirmed this as well as opening the inspection ports in the stringers to observe the water flow. SO... Mystery solved. I have the boat scheduled to be pulled out on the Jan 23 2023 to get the glands replaced or repacked and have one of the props straightened. On to the next mystery.....

This photo rotated 90 degrees clockwise when attached, but it is an image of the inside of the main starboard stringer via the hatch just forward of the hot water heater.

Well once again it is that time when the daylight hours are no longer getting shorter........going forward we will see longer daylight hours...

To all have a Happy Christmas/holiday season, stay safe and wishes for a healthy and prosperous New Year....

Has anyone replaced the sanitation lines on a Marquis 65? Access to the tank and lines seems challenging. Looks like the tanks are under the floor without access??

I have a 1/4" gap that flexes where the bridge floor meets up to the bridge dashboard. How serious is this? What should I do to fix?

Thanks for your help

Ryan

2003 Carver 444

I’m learning all the systems on our new”New to Me”, 1998 405 Aft Cabin. Now I’m working on the TV system. There’s a TracVision C3 satellite dish with DirecTV receivers connected on each TV. The TV in the salon has been upgraded to a Vizio 32”, but the TV in the Master Stateroom is OEM. Someone give me a “Primer” on these TracVision systems. I’ve had DirecTV at my house before, so I’m familiar with that setup. I currently have Dish Network at my house and in our RV. The house setup is (obviously) fixed dish. Our RV is not an in motion satellite, but a “ Traveler” satellite dish and works great.

So, I was told by someone the TracVision is too expensive to subscribe to and antiqueted. I Can’t get info from previous owner, but looks to me like it’s a similar setup as I have in the RV? From what I can surmise from KVH website, the C3 satellite is just an in-motion satellite dish that needs either DirecTV or Dish receiver to make a complete system?

Yes, I know I can use one of the connection devices (I.e. Roku, Firestick, Apple TV, etc, etc) to get programming if I have cellular internet. But if I can use the TracVision with my Dish Network receiver, that would be great. I’m aware also that the satellite will not get service under the metal roof of the slip and the satellite receiver/dish will only work on open sky.

Does anyone have experience with the TracVision C3 system?

Thanks!

My name is Jim and my wife's name is Alberta. We are looking to purchase our first Carver and complete the Great American Loop.

My grandfather taught me to operate his 14' fishing boat with an 18hp Evinrude when I was very young. Alberta and I have been boating all our lives but never anything bigger than 18'.

Anyway, our hope is to acquire a Carver, move it to a lake near Fort Worth, TX and learn how to operate it. Ultimately taking it to Galveston to start our journey.

We are considering an 2002 Carver 410 Sports Sedan. Any thoughts about that model? I am trying to figure out how to calculate the fuel burn on the different models and configurations. Any suggestions?

It is great to find this group and we hope to become official Carver owners within a year.

Greetings Mariners,

Christine and I are interested in meeting up or cruising to the Apostle Island this later Summer with another couple(s) (not Swinging! but partying/cruising/fishing/shore barbecues/paddle boarding - things that appeal to 60+ year old professionals)...

Anyone out there?

Thanks,
Mark