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Small boat and Titanic same problem!
- hardchines
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Re: Small boat and Titanic same problem!
I see captains overload themselves by constant adjustments to throttles and shifters and helm while the boat is blowing past that slot he wants to back into. We all have different docks that may demand tons of fussing to get into, but in many cases I see PIT ( pilot induced turbulence), I will always try to set up my boat in docking configuration just like pilots are taught to put their aircraft in landing configuration, when a pilot is on short final to land , he does not need to be fussing with lots of configuration controls , nor does a boater need to be try to adjust variables as he is about to dock!
A normal docking routine, dead slow to dockage space, past space if wind on bow but not too far, now in neutral ,center helm, place throttles in high idle rpm (inboards can shift at high rpm without damage) if the winds are blowing higher rpm, if low breeze less but still high (this is for gas motors), now I face back of boat , i never turn around while docking, I try never to touch the helm or throttles once I face aft, I hold both shift levers and do not let them go until I am in the spot or I decide to abort, I am willing to abort, don't make a bad situation real bad by banging up your boat or your neighbors boat, just be a good pilot and GO AROUND!
too many people go past their dock too far, they do a great job turning their boat so they can back in to their slip as the wind blows them to the slip, but he finds himself going so fast sideways he usually gets his stern barely in and his bow is still heading on by (sound familiar)
If your boat has single levers , that helps most of the time if you don't over control, if you don't have them and you have two stations, you may want to consider electronic single lever controls, they are great but not cheap. Bow thruster helps but a poor boat handler will still have his problems and maybe more as he is trying to figure how to fuss with more controls.
Ok not for the beginner, I watched a feller dock next to me in high winds one day many years ago, I was so impressed that I bought him a cold one after he got his 46 Pacemaker tied up next to my 41 CC Commander, we talked at length about his routine, I have now used his routine more times that I can remember, as follows.
lets say long row of boats both side at a dock, wind coming at 90 degrees to your spot, instead of bow into the wind and going past your dock, I back into the wind up between the rows of boats, as I get to my slot I rotate at speed, 90 degrees and head for the slip never stopping stern in, if all goes well I am at lest half way into my slip and my bow is still going past spot into the wind (momentum), as it stops I continue backing in, the wind never gets the bow moving before I am in my spot. I practiced docking allot in open water. This routine works best with diesels in my opinion, I back up at about 5 mph before I rotate with my shifters only without changing throttles, its not hard but knowing your boats handling characteristics is a must.
Told you I am long winded!
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Re: Small boat and Titanic same problem!
Now the cruise speed makes sense. Now I don't recall in that thread if you had discussed weight distribution and not having ENOUGH weight at the stern with all the modifications. How did that end up turning out? Did you end up with a similar "sit" to the hull after all the modifications, or is it perhaps more bow-heavy that a stock hull?
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Re: Small boat and Titanic same problem!
I did all I could to increase her stability by keeping all added weight as low as possible, I added 100lbs of ballast on port side aft in engine room to offset 200 lb gen set on std side, i also added a 15 gal fresh water tank on port side outboard of the fuel tank that adds another 130lbs to finish the gen weight offset. A 34 gallon black water holding tank on port side adds about 300 lbs when close to full, I did add 400 lbs of lead ballast under the cabin deck spread for and aft on center line.
Keep in mind this is a small boat with a 8 foot beam and a fly bridge, I would say the boat is allot more stable now then when I bought her, she sits level and looks proper in the water, I am very happy with the way she turned out, have not had her in any real sloppy conditions yet but close to pretty sloppy, felt better then I expected especially with a following sea.
If things work out, my 2018 ICW trip to Florida and the Bahamas will introduce me to her personality and sweet spots and not so sweet spots on the water.
I have been in conditions on my 20 foot Grady that I wished I was on my 41 Commander and other times on my Commander and wished I was on my Grady!
Thx for asking Km
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Re: Small boat and Titanic same problem!
hardchines wrote:Source of the post..... her draft is about 3 1/2 inches more then before.....
Is the top narrow section of your transom assembly still above water? How much of it can you see?
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Re: Small boat and Titanic same problem!
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Re: Small boat and Titanic same problem!
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Re: Small boat and Titanic same problem!
hardchines wrote:Source of the post Tom good eye!!!, must have been counter rotation then the lower half of drive was changed to standard rotation!
I see that too, unless they just labeled the drive wrong because I'm not seeing a serial number on the label and it looks like this was a retrofit from what used to be a different drive according to the pattern on the transom.
You definitely need to confirm that you have a the proper rotation prop on there to match drive rotation. For a single engine app, it should be standard rotation (right hand) though anything is possible after a retrofit so don't assume.
I take it there was no transom assembly work done like bellows or gimbal bearing?
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