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- PoppyTortuga
- Scurvy Dog
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- Vessel Info: 2004 Carver 356 with 8.1L Gi Volvo Pentas
- Location: Finger Lakes NY
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Just joining the group and excited to learn and grow my Carver knowledge. I'll be retiring in just over 2 years and my wife and I are currently looking for our liveaboard boat. We have owned a couple sail boats and one power over the last 20 years and are currently boatless. We would like to purchase soon so we can get everything ship shape in the next 2 summers for our next planned adventure, i.e. the Great American Loop. We rent now and are simplifying our lives in preparation of a July 2022 departure from our home port near Rochester, NY. I have been looking mostly at single diesel with bow thrusters in the 35'-40' range. My wife, I'm sorry, the Admiral, has her eyes on all these beautiful Carvers. So, happy wife/happy life, I need to "get my learning on" with twins, possibly no bow thruster, and gas engine??? I'm open to anything as long as I'm on the water. We just looked a beautiful 356 with 7.4 Mercruisers. Wow! Very nice. I now see what my wife (sorry, the Admiral) has in mind and I'll need your knowledge to make this happen. So far I/we like the 356, 405, and those with cockpits for the extra storage space. My biggest concerns are fuel consumption. If anyone can provide me some numbers in GPH for the 7.4 Merc or the Crusaders while crusing at around 6-8 knots. Also, is there any problems with going this slow, plowing, for long distances? There's lots of canals/locks, etc. in our planned route. Also, I know Carvers come in diesel too but I don't see many of them. Just collecting data for now. Thanks in advance. Fair winds to all.
Captain Poppy
- waybomb
- CYO Moderator
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- Joined: February 5th, 2013, 9:24 pm
- Vessel Info: 1995 Boston Whaler Rage15
1987 3697 Carver Mariner
1988 Cougar 46 Kevlar Vee offshore
1969 15' Glasspar / 1967 Johnson Electromatic 85
1996 Boston Whaler Rage 15 - Location: Saint Joseph,Mi
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Only thing I have to add is that when you get around a 40 footer, you will appreciate the diesels. Had a 4207 with gas engines - sold it because I did not feel safe in it in any big weather.
Fred
1969 Glaspar Avalon /1969 Johnson Electromatic 85
1987 Carver Mariner
1988 Cougar Kevlar 46' with triple blown 572 ci
1995 Boston Whaler Rage
Past - 1988 2807, 1989 4207 Aft
- Tireless
- Commander
- Posts: 460
- Joined: October 16th, 2018, 4:51 pm
- Vessel Info: 2006 Carver 44 CMY
Volvo Penta D6 370 HP - Location: Port Severn, Ontario
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IMHO, for the loop, diesels are a must especially after the 40' mark. They are more efficient than gas and diesels will keep your costs down. Its okay to run your boat at 6-8 knots, as that is what the loop will ask for more times than not. There is a lot of channel work, especially up in our neck of the woods. However, diesels like to run and I advise that you would do that from time to time as it will help to keep them clean. Run a fuel additive, like Stanadyne High Performance, that would help a great deal.
The 396 or the Carver 444 CMY would be a nice size, thats what I have and it is great to be on for long periods of time. Anything 40' and up is what I would recommend, but the cockpit is a really nice option.
A diesel will cost you more to purchase over gas, however, they as I said are more efficient and have a longer shelf life.
Happy hunting and keeps posted,
Greg
- buster53
- Admiral
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I know 3 couples who have done the loop. 2 in 45' Bayliner pilothouse and 1 in a 38' Bayliner
motor yacht. All with diesels. Most do the loop in diesels.
With twin engines, you will do just fine without thrusters.
Love my Crusaders. I have the 385 HP model. With a clean bottom and running gear, I can top out at 35 MPH. I usually cruise around 20-21 mph.
- buster53
- Admiral
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- Tireless
- Commander
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- Vessel Info: 2006 Carver 44 CMY
Volvo Penta D6 370 HP - Location: Port Severn, Ontario
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- bud37
- Admiral
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Just my opinion here....all things being equal ( HP ), the boat with the longer waterline length will be faster at hull speed, therefore more fuel efficient, gas or diesel.
Some advantages of the diesel can be fuel range.....some areas you may have to travel quite a distance between fuel stops.....another is the slow/close quarters handling advantage with the low speed grunt with the larger props.There are others.
With you coming from sail, you may be used to seeing a low hp diesel getting 10 to 15,000 hours. These newer higher HP/higher rpm turbo diesels do not get you hours even close to that.
I would consider the longest boat you can get, ......good luck with your search....
- RGrew176
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2004 Past Commodore
West River Yacht & Cruising Club
- Midnightsun
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- Joined: March 27th, 2016, 2:27 pm
- Vessel Info: The Midnight Sun
2007 41CMY
Volvo D6-370's - Location: Montreal, Canada
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I am curious to see what my planned Georgian Bay trip will cost this summer. Did the same trip in my 32' Avanti with twin 383 gas magnums a few years back. Cost $5,000 in gas. My friend did the same trip just behind me with his 37' Formula Express cruiser with twin 8.1 gassers to the tune of $8,000 I am anticipating maybe $2500, will chime in after summer is over assuming we do the trip.
Here is a great starting place when considering the loop. https://www.greatloop.org/content.aspx? ... =948087173
- pepmyster
- Admiral
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Fresh water boating - Location: Ottawa
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