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- Scurvy Dog
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- Joined: September 14th, 2021, 9:08 pm
- Location: Louisville, KY
First question is general. Just any suggestions? I am looking at $150k or less. The primary users are myself, wife and 2 kids(occasional friends). Youngest kid is 11. Long term (retirement so a while from now I am 45) I want to have a place in the Tampa St. Pete area and have a boat that travels between there and here(maybe even do the loop). That's probably a few boats away.
Second, where should I confine my search. I find lots of boats in Florida. What would the cost be to bring it up here? Is that a silly idea? Can I just pilot the boat up here? Would that cost a similar amount in fuel? Time? Should I stick to closer boats?
Third(related to the second) is fuel. I know each boat and conditions will be different. But, for example I read in a forum of a Carver model similar to what I am looking at would cruise at 20Kts and consume 22 GPH. But if lowered to 10KTS only 3.5. That sound right? I ask because I have also read people who say you actually need to be closer to cruising speed to get max fuel efficiency. Something about pushing the water out of the way.
Fourth, generators. How much fuel do they use? Do they also draw from the main gas tank or do they have a separate tank? How good is the heat and AC? TV? Just use a digital antenna or can you use like a direct TV satellite?
I'll have more... Thank you so very much in advance to any one who answers.
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1981 Carver 3007 Aft Cabin
2004 Past Commodore
West River Yacht & Cruising Club
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- Vessel Info: 2001, Carver 356
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I have a 356, little brother to a 396 and for your needs, sounds like a 396 would serve you well and if you plan on doing lots of long distance traveling, diesels are a must.
Fuel consumption...for economy cruising, travel at hull speed, around 7-1/2 knots. For higher speeds, get up on full plane. Speeds between hull speed and full plane are very inefficient.
Gensets do usually run off the main tank. How much fuel...depends on the load. Lights, TV, frig....sips fuel. Add in water heater, cooking and a couple AC units, fuel consumption jumps.
AC's on a boat are balancing acts. You can have not enough or you can have too much. On my boat, on a hot, sunny day, they struggle, but they at least keep the humidity down and when it comes to AC, humidity control is just as important as temp control. Night time, I could probably hang meat if I wanted to.
TV depends on location. In a heavy populated area, you can probably pick up 20-30 channels just using a plain old pair of rabbit ears. Yes, you can get fancy with a dish or if you have good internet, a smart TV works well. No internet...possibly use your phone as a hot spot. We have done all. You mention a digital antennae...digital is marketing BS. an antennae is an antennae. Rabbit ears work just as well as a "digital" antennae. BTW, a lot of larger Carvers have built in TV antennaes hidden in flybridge storage compartments.
Yes, you can buy boats in FL and travel home in one, but that is a long, expensive trip, probably a couple of weeks.
You mention traveling when you retire...chances are you will buy at least one, probably 2 (maybe 3) more boats before that happens, so buy for what you need now, not 15-20 years down the road.
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A loaded-down 10kW generator would use about 1 gal/hr of gasoline or about .75 gal/hr on diesel. You rarely ever fully load the generator, so a more realistic fuel consumption might be half that, but it all depends on the loads you're running. They rarely use a dedicated tank. Many of the Carvers have the gensets configured to pull from the port tank and the fuel pickup is higher than the one for the engines, so the generator would run out of fuel before your main engines.
Using satellite TV is tough on a boat unless you get one designed of the marine environment that handles the pitch and roll of the boat. Those are certainly available, but they're pricey. Many folks will mount a regular satellite dish to their dock, so while in harbor they can enjoy it but not while out on the water. You can use an antenna to pick up local broadcast signals but what you pick up is largely dependent on where you're located relative to those transmitters.
Fuel consumption is complicated by currents. If you're travelling at 7 kts against a 3.5 kt current, your range is cut in half. If you're travelling with the current, you get a 50% boost in range. Up on plane the difference isn't nearly as noticeable, only making a 10-15% difference.
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The Black Pearl
Soddy Daisy Tn.
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- Vessel Info: 1987 3697 Carver Mariner
1988 Cougar 46 Kevlar Vee offshore
1969 15' Glaspar / 1969 Johnson Electrmatic 85
1964 Barron Flat bottom drag boat
A couple of dinghies
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1964 Barron Flatbottom with BBC Chevy
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The guys covered pretty much everything.
Both models are good family designs for now I think. Use the time after you get one to add to your wish list for when you do retire and your boating habits change. If you plan on doing any boating in salt water in the short term though, and long distance trips, you'll want to strongly consider diesels for the long distance, and while standard on diesels, if you go with gassers, you'll want to ensure you get closed cooled blocks and exhaust manifolds (coolant filled) for salt water boating.
Closer is always better of course. Looking for a boat in a salt water area can be tricky, salt water is not a friendly environment for boats. It affects nearly everything from outer soft goods and hardware, to machinery, wiring and anything electrical, appliances, all underwater gear, etc. Personally I would stick with boats that have at least spent most of their life in fresh water.
You can run through the river from the Gulf to get her home if I'm not mistaken if a Florida boat is your preference. Considering it would likely take some dismantling for height restrictions over land then reassembly, that and the transport can get pretty pricey. You'd have to weigh all that against the cost of fuel. Perhaps a member with the same model who's been through this will chime in with their experience.
What ever you do, get a survey when you narrow down your choice, you'll need one for insurance anyway, and any deficiencies noted can be beneficial in negotiating the purchase price. We wish you luck in your search. Keep us posted.
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