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Dumb Boater Here Please help me Identify water Pumps so I can order them
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Dumb Boater Here Please help me Identify water Pumps so I can order them
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Re: Dumb Boater Here Please help me Identify water Pumps so I can order them
http://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Pressurized-Freshwater-Systems
Pump 2 looks like an air conditioner raw water pump. Looks like you have 2 side by side. The other items look like raw water intake strainers for the pumps.
What kind of heads do you have, Vacuflush? If so, here is a typical system hook up and a picture of the head itself. Inland water boats would have the overboard discharge disconnected. I see yours is a salt water boat. These units are powered by 12 volts so you must make sure the pump is getting power.
http://blog.arribasail.com/2015/04/tech-tale-of-two-heads-or-fixing-a-marine-toilet.html
Looks like you have a lot of work to do.
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Re: Dumb Boater Here Please help me Identify water Pumps so I can order them
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Re: Dumb Boater Here Please help me Identify water Pumps so I can order them
Do the heads (toilets) have foot pedals on them? If they do, they work on vacuum and each head will have a vacuum generator somewhere between the head and the holding tank as noted in the diagram of the first link of my post above. Depending on the model, there will be a pump there that looks similar to this
http://yachtvolare.blogspot.ca/2013/03/fixing-vacuflush.html
I've seen these in engine compartments, under stairs, under beds, under benches, behind wall panels, in closets, behind fridges, etc. Wherever the boat manufacturer figures it will be the most difficult to get at
Your first task should be to check and see if you are getting 12 volts to the pump. There will be a breaker at the electrical panel, and they will sometimes have an in-line fuse at the pump. A bad vacuum switch seen here will also prevent the unit prom running. The assembly should have a square coveer on it. http://www.environmentalmarine.com/kit-vacuum-switch-vgii-310540/
These systems typically run off your fresh water system so it needs to be working as well. When the pedal is partially depressed, it will allow water into the bowl. When it's pushed all the way, the ball in the bowl will open and the vacuum will take everything away. When you finally get the system running, remember that the water in the bowl helps to make a proper vacuum seal, so again, the water system must be working or you can pour water in the bowl for testing purposes.
The 3rd picture in your last post is a macerator (by the battery) for overboard discharge.
If the vessel was partially submerged, ANY wiring, connectors, electrical hardware, etc. that was under water is suspect as a possible cause for its respective system not working. Unfortunately, it's likely that you will continue to have gremlins and system failures until all the electrical hardware is cleaned up or replaced.
PS: if you can't get the on-board water system working just yet, why not hook up your dock-side water? There should be a fitting in the cockpit where you can hook up a potable hose from the dock to the boat. This will give you pressurized water and allow you to take a shower providing the water heater works.
***PPS: I just saw the vacuum genrator in your 3rd picture behind the macerator! it is the while plastic tank. the vacuum pump should be mounted on it or beside it.
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Re: Dumb Boater Here Please help me Identify water Pumps so I can order them
**For the benefit of everyone, those air conditioner pumps in the pictures are no longer considered safe for engine compartment installations however there are countless Carvers (and other brands) with those installed in engine bays. There is a very specific model of that brand that is ignition protected but for the most part, I switch out to these now: http://www.westmarine.com/buy/dometic--seawater-circulation-pump--P012_361_001_515
If you had these installed, they'd be okay as they can run submerged.
If the vacuum generator pump was under water, it should be replaced. If the vacuum switch was underwater, it may still work but chances are it'll corrode and fail soon. Of course that will happen when you least want it too so you may want to be proactive and do it now. There's nothing worse than planning on anchoring out for a weekend only to have a sanitation system failure while you're out there.
None of this stuff is cheap. In fact all the pumps discussed and the vacuum switch are costly.
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Re: Dumb Boater Here Please help me Identify water Pumps so I can order them
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Re: Dumb Boater Here Please help me Identify water Pumps so I can order them
The other options are to straighten the one you have which is probably very doable or use an off-the-shelf unit that you can slide the rail on to after cutting the existing base off. These are readily available at most marinas and marine supply stores. You'll just need to ensure you get the right angled fitting as there are a few standard angles; 90, 45, and 30 come to mind.
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