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454 crusaders rpm drop from neutral to fwd

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454 crusaders rpm drop from neutral to fwd

Postby sbb2112 » September 28th, 2025, 9:48 pm

Just wondering about a normal range the rpms will drop going into gear. I have carbed delco ignition with v drives on gas. 1992 vintage.

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Re: 454 crusaders rpm drop from neutral to fwd

Postby km1125 » September 28th, 2025, 10:40 pm

I don't remember exactly, but 50-75 RPM seems to ring a bell. But gearing and prop size probably impacts that a bit too.
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Re: 454 crusaders rpm drop from neutral to fwd

Postby bud37 » September 28th, 2025, 11:43 pm

A properly tuned healthy engine should maybe see maybe 50 rpm drop then recover as km said....imo

Set the engine to spec in gear if you are having issues.
FWIW.....The above is just my opinion.

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Re: 454 crusaders rpm drop from neutral to fwd

Postby sbb2112 » September 29th, 2025, 5:54 am

I think everything is fine. Had someone help me out by tuning and idle adjustment. Idle seems too low and docking was tough in the wind. He said he put the timing at 8 btdc also. It idles at 600 and drops some when going into gear. Ordered a digital timing light with a tach and going to reset everything. It was fine before the adjustments.

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Re: 454 crusaders rpm drop from neutral to fwd

Postby Viper » September 29th, 2025, 6:32 am

Check your specs for that engine, 600 idle in neutral seems low to me. Check if the readings are to be taken in gear or not.
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Re: 454 crusaders rpm drop from neutral to fwd

Postby km1125 » September 29th, 2025, 3:36 pm

And 8 btdc seems too low too. I thought mine was 10 or 12.
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Re: 454 crusaders rpm drop from neutral to fwd

Postby waybomb » September 29th, 2025, 7:42 pm

87 Crusader 464 350hp here. 8 degrees at 700 rpm
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Re: 454 crusaders rpm drop from neutral to fwd

Postby km1125 » September 30th, 2025, 3:04 pm

Well, y'all made me question my fading brain cells enough, so I went and looked it up!

I happen to have an 80-92 Crusader Service Manual and here's the spec sheets. Idle for all is 650-700 in gear. And 10 btdc. But it did remind me that if you have the E.S.T ignition make sure you turn the connector around when setting base timing.

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Re: 454 crusaders rpm drop from neutral to fwd

Postby sbb2112 » September 30th, 2025, 5:46 pm

Thanks all for the info. I am going to set to the specs shown for the delco ignition. Pretty sure raising the idle will make a big improvement.

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