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Raritan Crown Head

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Raritan Crown Head

Postby ronmar » September 11th, 2018, 8:10 pm

I know there is a similar post started requesting thoughts on toilet additives. Sorry but it has only confused me more. I have a 1993 350 Aft Cabin with 2 Raritan Crown Heads, and separate holding tanks. Both Raritans have reservoirs that I'm told are for odor control and Raritan only recommended Conn22. I was told in that post this has been replaced by C.P. (Cleans Potties). Is this both toilet bowl and septic treatment or just bowl/odor cleaner? If so nothing I see in my owners manual states what to use for holding tank. Right now not using reservoirs as could not find the CONN22 and just using Aqua Chem in holding tanks.
I was told to use K.O. (Kills Odors) in conjunction with CP. Both products say how to dilute but not how to use in conjunction, and they are unclear as to what each product is used for. The CP will automatically dispense with each flush, but as I said is just cleaning?
I saw on the original post they were simply inquiring about the use of Noflex Digestor, and some how, thoughts and ideas went to vent filters and other products, but what concerns me is not talking apples to oranges accounting for types of heads and what is recommended for Raritans.
I want to make sure I'm using right products to break down waste, sludge, and etc. without doing harm to my toilets.
Please steer me in the right direction, as I have not had these type of heads before. :help:
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Re: Raritan Crown Head

Postby waybomb » September 11th, 2018, 8:17 pm

I completely rebuilt a crown head. There is nothing in there special. I do not see why you would have to use their branded liquid. I don't. The thing works fine.
My 4207 had two of them, never did a thing to them, and never used their fluid, and they worked flawlessly for years
I never used noflex, but this isn't only site where it comes highly regarded by actual users.
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Re: Raritan Crown Head

Postby ronmar » September 11th, 2018, 11:44 pm

Thanks for the advice. Do you use anything in the reservoirs or just pour down head and flush to the waste tank?

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Re: Raritan Crown Head

Postby Viper » September 12th, 2018, 7:05 am

Unless two products are compatible with each other and specifically made to work in conjunction with each other, you should not mix two different products together as you don't know what the end reaction will do, especially if they're chemical based.

I don't use the reservoir, can't be bothered emptying it at the end of the season. I simply pour product into the bowl after every use. I put my product in a squeeze bottle which really helps prevent spilling or cleaning the outside of the bottle after each use from product dribbling down the side. Because the Noflex is chemical based, I used to chase it with some fresh water as I don't like my impeller and valve sitting in it but I don't worry about it with Super Enzo. In fact I prefer leaving some in the bowl while I'm gone during the week so there are no odours from the bowl when I get back for the weekend.

OEMs have a vested interest in recommending and promoting their own product so of course they're going to push their own. Dometic also recommends using their liquids but I was told by their own techs at courses that it really isn't that critical. The goal for manufacturers of such liquids is to produce something that can be safely used in all systems including competitor designs. While this may not apply to all mechanical systems on board and for warranty purposes you should stick with OEM recommendations, IMO the system in question doesn't fall into that category.

PS, the vent filter does not have an impact on what's going on in the tank. It's purpose is to minimize the tank odour exiting the vent. Having said that, if there is a restriction in the filter it will minimize the amount of oxygen entering the the tank which plays a very important roll in helping the process along. This is critical enough that some OEMs are moving to 1.5 inch vent lines. This helps the process and prevent tank collapse.
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Re: Raritan Crown Head

Postby ronmar » September 12th, 2018, 8:48 am

Viper wrote:Source of the post Unless two products are compatible with each other and specifically made to work in conjunction with each other, you should not mix two different products together as you don't know what the end reaction will do, especially if they're chemical based.

I don't use the reservoir, can't be bothered emptying it at the end of the season. I simply pour product into the bowl after every use. I put my product in a squeeze bottle which really helps prevent spilling or cleaning the outside of the bottle after each use from product dribbling down the side. Because the Noflex is chemical based, I used to chase it with some fresh water as I don't like my impeller and valve sitting in it but I don't worry about it with Super Enzo. In fact I prefer leaving some in the bowl while I'm gone during the week so there are no odours from the bowl when I get back for the weekend.

OEMs have a vested interest in recommending and promoting their own product so of course they're going to push their own. Dometic also recommends using their liquids but I was told by their own techs at courses that it really isn't that critical. The goal for manufacturers of such liquids is to produce something that can be safely used in all systems including competitor designs. While this may not apply to all mechanical systems on board and for warranty purposes you should stick with OEM recommendations, IMO the system in question doesn't fall into that category.

PS, the vent filter does not have an impact on what's going on in the tank. It's purpose is to minimize the tank odour exiting the vent. Having said that, if there is a restriction in the filter it will minimize the amount of oxygen entering the the tank which plays a very important roll in helping the process along. This is critical enough that some OEMs are moving to 1.5 inch vent lines. This helps the process and prevent tank collapse.


Thanks Viper! You are helping me understand.
To be clear then is the reservoir if using OEM treatment Conn22, which I understand now CP for waste tank treating or simply bowl cleaner/deodorizing? You also mentioned not using yours and pouring into the bowl after every use. Are you saying every flush? That could be quite a hassle especially if having guests. Or are you pouring at end of day or weekend?
And lastly you mentioned Super Enzo (assuming that is Aqua-Tek), is that in lieu of the Noflex? Sorry to be a bother but there have been so many opinions out there and no Carver or Raritan Dealer close to me that can answer my questions

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Re: Raritan Crown Head

Postby Viper » September 12th, 2018, 4:46 pm

I use Aqua-Tek Super Enzo only. The cap is your measuring cup (30ml), just pour it into the toilet and chase it with some water. The recommendation is that you put a cap full into the system after each pump out. On “heavier days” or extra guests, I add some between pump outs with the squirt bottle I mentioned before. I find it easy to do because you don’t have to clean a cap before putting it back on the bottle. I also squirt a little into the toilet before I leave for the week.
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Re: Raritan Crown Head

Postby ronmar » September 12th, 2018, 7:45 pm

Thanks again Viper. You made it clear for me now. Can't share enough how helpful you have been. :approve:

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Re: Raritan Crown Head

Postby Viper » September 12th, 2018, 8:19 pm

Super Enzo works for me but so did Noflex. I only moved away from Noflex because I wanted to move away from chemicals and try an enzyme based product. Some have used both and gone back to Noflex because they found the other product didn't work for them. I've experienced the same with other products that have worked for fellow boaters but not me. A lot of influences at play so what may work one might not for others. Keep trying until you find something that works for you.

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