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Beginning Of Season Near

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Re: Beginning Of Season Near

Postby Midnightsun » April 8th, 2020, 2:45 pm

Cooler wrote:Source of the post Good news Rick. MI Governor recently announced that rec boating is OK as an outside activity function under the current order. Marinas can operate as essential business observing business practice to social distancing. This came as a result of the MI State Police apparently misinterpreted the specific order conditions and published a no boating warning. There is a lot of confusion to deal with, understandably so. The weirdest thing was you can only have immediate family members as guests on the vessel. ( or maybe I am misinterpreting ) 8-)


As long as everyone from the same household is on board then no problem. It becomes an issue when you have your daughter and/or son who both live at different locations who decide tag along or a friend or neighbour or anyone else that is not residing under the same roof as you. For the time being this is not a good idea at all. This summer if the boat gets launched it will be my wife and I until things cool down substantially which is most likely the entire season.
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Re: Beginning Of Season Near

Postby Cooler » April 9th, 2020, 12:44 pm

Yep, I get that. That is part of the weirdness, because the announcement did not contain any "immediate family must be residing in the same residence" restriction. Thanks for clearing that up Hans, your interpretation makes sense. There will be a season, a very different type of season, but there will be one. I will embrace the idea that I am protecting myself and others, as long as I stay on board in a semi-isolated distance from others. My slip is 20 feet from a public sidewalk, so I can still watch the marina walkers, people fishing, and marina flower beds without concern. That is probably 40% of my entertainment value anyway. Less than 30 days to launch. Daylight is at 13 hours 12 min per day. Adding 3 min per day. Stay healthy! 8-) er
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Re: Beginning Of Season Near

Postby Viper » April 9th, 2020, 5:10 pm

I know we're all chomping at the bit to get launched soon, but the problems I see with launching boats in a marina in the short term are numerous, it's not as simple as saying, "I'll stay away from everybody." Besides it being pretty difficult in some marinas to stay a safe distance when passing someone on a 4 foot wide dock, it takes a lot of resources to maintain the marina and all the services boaters expect. Were it as simple as dropping your boat in the water and saying see ya later, that would be fine but there's so much more that needs to happen that we take for granted. It would mean all kinds of support staff now putting themselves in harm's way. I trust people will want to use marina washrooms and lounges, but that would require full time staff just to sanitize everything in those areas continuously throughout every day, all while avoiding customers for their own safety. Boaters would want water at their slips and given most marinas are rural and not on city services, regular water treatment is required, septic services, grounds maintenance, gotta maintain the pool, parts department and chandlery store supplies and deliveries, and all the other outside/third party services needed to keep the marina running and customers happy. Not to mention dock staff refueling, doing pump-outs, manning the stores, techs expected to fix something right away while the customer waits so he can go boating, etc. This is being in constant contact with countless people during the course of their day. Also consider that while everyone may have distancing and cleanliness in mind at first, that will quickly change after a few drinks which almost always goes hand in hand with boating. Even with the best intentions and avoidance practices, a little alcohol will put everyone at the marina and beyond at risk.

Surrounding businesses will see shortfalls in supplies for their local residents. It's already happening in cottage country where people are migrating to their cottages to ride this out. The problem is that those small communities which have suddenly seen an increase in cases aren't equipped to deal with all the extra patients that will result because of the influx of boaters and cottagers.

I had a tech friend who works at a local marina tell me that a boater decided to come up to his boat for a few days, now bear in mind that the boat is still up in the air and technically the marina is still closed for the season including all the washrooms, and his boat is winterized. Even though the marina is closed, there are techs on site doing winter work and office staff doing their thing, but all doors are locked with signs on them clearly stating and respectfully asking that people stay away so that they don't put marina staff in danger of contracting the virus. The customer was contacted on his cell phone and said he just wanted to get away from the city for a while to a place he thought would be safer. That same afternoon, he's knocking on the Service door asking to be let in to buy some parts for a repair he's doing. When they wouldn't let him in he became irate. Then he knocked on the dock store door demanding the staff let him in, "only for a few minutes" to buy some supplies for the boat including toilet paper so he could do his business on the boat given that the washrooms were still closed. They refused to let him in but he got very angry over it and it was stressful for the staff. He was also leaving garbage at his slip expecting staff to take it away as they usually do during summer operations when they're fully staffed with students for that sort of thing. He has since been asked to leave and now the driveway is blocked off so nobody can go in. But before leaving, he insisted the staff now pump out his holding tank which he had to use because the washrooms were closed! NOT going to happen. This is just one guy! can you imagine a few hundred people on a typical weekend?

They're talking about things being bad until at least August now and that's if we continue to maintain our current practices of staying home. That's for Ontario which hasn't been hit as hard as some areas to the south, YET. I fear that launching boats will make things worse and increase that upward trend of confirmed cases for all the reasons mentioned above but to name a few. Not worth it IMO and that's coming from someone who makes a living in this industry. I can't however in good conscience endorse putting employees at risk so we can enjoy a summer of boating. It's unfortunate but that's currently the world we live in, we need do everything we can to prevent more from dying. I certainly wouldn't want it to be one of my kin that dies because of this nor would I want that for anyone else. If that means myself and others can't boat this year then so be it, it's not essential, and it's such a small price to pay considering the consequences.
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Re: Beginning Of Season Near

Postby bud37 » April 9th, 2020, 6:17 pm

Well said,........ :down: ... I totally agree. Just had basically the same discussion here with the marina......our boat will stay in the parking lot for a good length of time until this is well under control, my guess sadly not this year, but if that is what it takes, my wife and I are on board so to speak.

Took a short drive today to escape the house.....all of a sudden there are people in all the grocery /liquor/beer stores in town that previously have been very quiet, my guess, people are coming up to their cottages.

Oh and there is snow in the forecast for tonight..... :help:

Stay safe people.
FWIW.....The above is just my opinion..... :popcorn:

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Re: Beginning Of Season Near

Postby Viper » April 9th, 2020, 7:37 pm

A lot of long line-ups today. Last minute shopping for long weekend cottagers and Easter dinners I suspect.

I forgot to mention something in my long rant; boating at this time even if you try to keep to yourself out on the water still puts others at risk. Besides still needing fuel and pump-outs, if something goes terribly wrong on the water, and this would be no different than any other summer for that, would be putting first responders at risk just to come out and assist you. It's the type of job where they simply can't maintain a safe distance from you or their coworkers at that time. Let's do our part to help them minimize their exposure by having to respond to commercial traffic emergencies only. That's only going to happen if we keep pleasure craft off the water during all this.
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Re: Beginning Of Season Near

Postby Midnightsun » April 9th, 2020, 9:18 pm

Everyone is in a unique situation. I am on the end dock, not a single boat on our dock has any means of staying on board more than just a day trip, small boats with no electrical. In fact I rarely see anyone on my dock and I know no one personally after several years at the same spot. We do not use the showers or main facilities except for a bag of ice here and there which could easily be purchased elsewhere if required or even brought from home, point is my situation is perfect for pandemic confinement. I do understand you cannot judge every situation and say yeah or neagh but in my case it would not matter the least bit. I meet another boater on my dock maybe 3 times a year, no chit! Yes I am chomping at the bit to get to my boat however my case is really very safe in the pandemic we all live in right now. We boat as loaners after way too many years of congregating with too many people on the dock in the past, something you will all appreciate as time goes on. Ask Pepmiester, he knows us very well.

Not saying I am going out to do the great loop in these times and my Trent Severn trip is 98% cancelled this year however a small jaunt to a local anchorage 30 minutes away at hull speed in my case is really about as safe at it comes with shore a couple of hundred metres on each side no matter where we venture locally. With twin diesels it would be almost impossible to not return to port on my own while being so close.

One must put some confidence in everyone as not all are as dumb as we read on the news everyday.
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Re: Beginning Of Season Near

Postby Viper » April 9th, 2020, 9:38 pm

Unfortunately Hans, one can't tell when he's rubs up against one of those dummies until it's too late. By the time we realize it, we've already passed it on to someone else. Hope you stay safe for yourself and others.

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Re: Beginning Of Season Near

Postby Viper » April 9th, 2020, 9:48 pm

Hans, if they launch you, then they have to launch everybody, including the idiots on the news, and most won't be as isolated as you are. Going to be an interesting summer for sure.
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Re: Beginning Of Season Near

Postby RGrew176 » April 10th, 2020, 4:32 am

Cooler wrote:Source of the post Good news Rick. MI Governor recently announced that rec boating is OK as an outside activity function under the current order. Marinas can operate as essential business observing business practice to social distancing. This came as a result of the MI State Police apparently misinterpreted the specific order conditions and published a no boating warning. There is a lot of confusion to deal with, understandably so. The weirdest thing was you can only have immediate family members as guests on the vessel. ( or maybe I am misinterpreting ) 8-)


That is good news. I may head down to my marina later today to see what they are planning. If they are going to start launching boats I could be ready to go in by next Friday if I hustle.
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Re: Beginning Of Season Near

Postby Midnightsun » April 10th, 2020, 7:09 am

I did get an email from the storage marina this week that said they are trying to work something out to start to launch boats so there is a glimmer of hope. The big question is, will my home port marina be open and as of now all seaway locks are closed to private vessels so I cannot even make it to my marina even after launch. :captain2:
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